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Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.03 19:34:00 - [1] About the Corp The corporation was formed nearly 12 months ago. It was formed by one of my best friends in RL. Me and my friend went into production together massively producing T2 modules and ships and selling them to customers or on the open market. Business Plan What I intend to do is setup up an Empire POS chain to research Capital and Ship BPOs. I will be buying BPOs off the NPC market or if I see fit buying them cheap from sellers from the forums or any of my connections, only if I think we can get a big enough profit out of them. As well as researching I will be producing BPCs and selling them on the open market so that we can get a side pot income from that also and that will help keep the Corporation Liquidated. The BPOs that have been researched will be sold for 300 û 400 Million profits, if any less then I would not have bought the BPO in the first place. Capital BPOs do take a while to research, so that is why researching Non Capital Ships and Components will be our Primary Objective. If this goes to plan, then in the future I will look at expanding the business plan into other areas, areas such as producing a couple of researched BPOs, maybe even producing Capital ships at low prices to our investors and/or on the market for a larger profit. (This is still in planning period) At the moment I have invested some money in to this plan, I got some BPOs on the cheap. If more people wish to invest in the Corporation then I am happy to sell some of the shares that I personally own. Bond Structure Total Number of Blocks 7 (21 Billion if all are filled) Bonds in a Block 30 (3Billion ISK) Price per Bond 100,000,000 Payout Monthly Payment per Bond Total From Moons: ISK 5,022,000,000.00 Total - POS Management: ISK 4,343,409,712.32 Total Dividends: ISK 36,232,163.13 - Excluding BPO Sales. What has been said here is only a brief introduction to what i plan to do. More details like Background jobs, The Future and Figures can be found here
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.03 19:35:00 - [2] Bond Sales Total Number of Blocks 7 (21 Billion if all are filled) Bonds in a Block 30 (3Billion ISK) Price per Bond 100,000,000 Bonds Remaining: 5 Bond #1 Bob Smithman - Personal Investment (Also Liquidated 227,148,515.53 ISK to bring the Investment to a round number) Bond #2 PAID - PVP Corporation (Wishes to remain Anonymous) Bond #3 None Sold Bond #3 None Sold Bond #4 None Sold Bond #5 None Sold Bond #6 None Sold Bond #7 None Sold
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.03 19:36:00 - [3] [Reserved]
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.03 20:37:00 - [4] Originally by: cosmoray Bit confused from the document. Are you claiming: 1. To pay out 36M per 100M bond every month (36% ROI) or 2. Pay out 36M total dividend on the 100M bond after 90 days (12% ROI)? I am claiming that i will pay out 36 Million per 100 Million bond every month. I have done the maths over and over to make sure that i am right. Also fixed the Bond #3 miss-type /me feels noobish
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.03 20:56:00 - [5] In Response to Kara's post; 1. No public IPO's, but I have run investments before for friends, some of whom are in the PVP corp that wishes to remain anonymous and have already contributed 2. See above 3. I have many connections within the eve market community. Furthermore, I will be using BPO's I am quite certain will sell for more than market value. And to continue, BPO researching is not the only source of income, so even if I'm wrong on this, profits will still flow. 4. Not really. I've been doing my own thing and running my own corp for some time now. 5. There is no security at present, although I am considering contacts with ebank to see those possibilities. 6. I will see if I can get some of my friends to post in my defense. Most wish to remain anonymous, so I am not certain of that. However, I think the numbers speak for themselves. 7. My income does come partially from moon mining operations. I don't think I added it twice, but please let me know if you think I did. Tech2 production is an option, but is not part of my firm plans at the moment. 8. I will not state who my PVP defense contacts are, for obvious security reasons. They do not wish to let it be known they are associated unless it is absolutely necessary. 9. For details on the profit-making mechanisms, please re-read the PDF. I will be selling bpc's, researching bpo's, and selling bpo's. 10. I will not limit the program to capital ships and components, because that would be putting all of my (and the investor's) eggs in one basket. The move to non-capital ships and components is a way of hedging my risk. Thank you for your questions. In your position I would ask the very same thing, I would hope most people would want to know the answers to these questions in order to make a more informed decision. 12% is high, I agree, but I feel it justified given my experience and time spent doing similar activities, albeit on a smaller scale. Does that answer your questions? If you or anyone else has anymore, please fill free to contact me.
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:07:00 - [6] Originally by: An Entrepreneur Edited by: An Entrepreneur on 03/10/2008 21:37:49 retracted - contacted in game - conversation strengthened my doubts. Sorry we couldn't reach an agreement. I could not disclose the information you requested, because it would violate the confidentiality of other investors.
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:30:00 - [7] I am sorry to hear that you won't invest.
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.04 12:53:00 - [8] Ok, I can understand all of you and the direction you are coming from. If i was in your position then i would do the exact samething. Research, Enquire and Research somemore. If you guys would like to talk about it then please feel free to contact me ingame and we can talk about you worries and doubts. I will be on briefly during the day and on later tonight. - Bob
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.04 17:24:00 - [9] Bump.
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.05 10:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Bob Smithman Bump.
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.06 22:20:00 - [11] Still looking for investors.
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Clara Mismer What market are you selling your t2 items on? You may have mis-read what i am doing, and i apologise because this maybe because of my unclear PDF. I am not producing T2 items, that is what i have been doing for the last year. What i intend to do is Research and Copy BPOs. And then sell them for around 300-400 Million profit. Also setup two poses that will mine very good moons in order to keep your wallets liquidated and the corporated wallet liquidated so we don't run into any problems. Originally by: Demtalin le'Mercennaire Has an API audit been done to confirm that you have been doing this before, and making profits high enough to sustain that rate? No, currently not. Reason being is that client's that wish to remain anonymous will be revealed. This will breach client trust between me and them, this could result in them pulling their fund out of this Bond. This is all maths and figures. I have been researching this type of investment for the last couple of months, and while i am unable to produce a legal document that is actually understandable, i do know what i am doing. As always i am open for mails and convos ingame if you need to talk.
Bob Smithman Core Research Estabishment	Posted - 2008.10.11 13:39:00 - [13] As of today 13:30 EvE Time all investors will have had their investment returned to them by 14:00, if not then please contact me in-game. After speaking with a few key investors i have decided to give back the investors money as i feel that the Bond is not going to hit the ground running so to speak. Over the next coming weeks/months i will re-write my PDF so that it is understandable and that it doesn't involve any low security operations. I already have an idea in mind. I will ask all known public investors to write in this thread that they have received their personal investment. Thanks - Bob

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